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Post by madoldlu on May 3, 2016 11:53:56 GMT -5
Still boggles my mind that a casual fan who liked the band 20-30 years ago (and never anything beyond that) would spend $100+ on tickets to a show. Like I said in another thread, I can’t justify the cost and I’m a huge fan (and I do okay financially too)!
But it seems that there are plenty who do. So DD probably have the right balance and strategy of songs on their repertoire. They play a wide mix of their greatest hits to appease the general audience, and then play a good portion of new songs to promote the new material particularly for those people who are unaware of the new stuff. Unfortunately that leaves the hardcore fan who wants to hear some deep cuts out in the cold. But part of the purpose of a concert is to expose a captive audience to songs that they may not otherwise hear, and the priority usually goes to the latest album. I mean, why promote Liberty or whatever when they need to push Paper Gods, right? Those other albums have already had their time in the limelight. They need to sell the current album!
But I also agree that Nick’s pre-programmed parts plus all the AV effects have a lot to do with a lack of spontaneity. They have those shows running like a well oiled machine after 30+ years of touring.
And in response to cherry’s question about whether RCM was riding high on the reunion popularity—I’d have to say no. It’s been a while now, but I got the feeling the Broadway concerts were a way for them to try something different and unique to make up for the lackluster RCM album sales and poor reception.
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Post by trevgreg on May 3, 2016 12:33:46 GMT -5
Still boggles my mind that a casual fan who liked the band 20-30 years ago (and never anything beyond that) would spend $100+ on tickets to a show. Like I said in another thread, I can’t justify the cost and I’m a huge fan (and I do okay financially too)! That’s just it though… if people have the money, then they’ll want to find things to spend it on. It only really adds up if you are someone that likes to go to multiple shows for a band. For a lot of people are going to one and one alone, a ticket over $100 for a decent seat might still sound pretty reasonable at that rate (for some people anyway, haha). Same thing for someone paying for good seats to an NBA/NFL/Premier League game or any type of sporting event. Just because they buy expensive tickets doesn’t mean they’ll know every single person on the field or court, but it’s mostly for the experience anyway. And in response to cherry’s question about whether RCM was riding high on the reunion popularity—I’d have to say no. It’s been a while now, but I got the feeling the Broadway concerts were a way for them to try something different and unique to make up for the lackluster RCM album sales and poor reception. RCM did come out during the Broadway shows themselves, and I think they had said in the press around that time that the Broadway run was something they had thought about trying out at some point or other. So if anything, it was kind of an attempt on their end to bring some attention to the band and the album that was coming out that month.
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Post by westendgirl on May 3, 2016 19:19:12 GMT -5
I dragged a friend with me to see Duran Duran last month. She was excited to go but is a very casual fan; she has the "Greatest" CD and only knows a few other singles here and there. She had a great time and still tells me how much she enjoyed it; she said she couldn't believe how many songs she remembered and how much fun it was.
So while the set list disappoints us most of the time, it does seem to serve a purpose for the casual fan who will spend the money and maybe come back next time the band tours through the area. At least they threw in a few lesser-known songs like IDWYL (my friend actually knew that one!) and TMI for us. (I also saw one of the UK shows and was disappointed by the lackluster reaction to Love Voodoo.)
I wish I had seen one the RCM shows. I wasn't living in NYC at the time but I wish I'd made the trip.
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Post by ttt on May 3, 2016 20:29:49 GMT -5
IDWYL is on Decade and Greatest so it makes sense your friend would know it.
One song changed up...one song...can make a world of difference for the hardcore fans...
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Post by westendgirl on May 4, 2016 5:07:57 GMT -5
IDWYL is on Decade and Greatest so it makes sense your friend would know it. One song changed up...one song...can make a world of difference for the hardcore fans... Haha shows how little I've listened to Greatest! I've seen 3 shows this year and IDWYL hasn't gotten the strongest reaction from the crowds so I didn't think it was that well-known. I agree, one song would make a huge difference for us hard-core fans.
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Post by trevgreg on May 4, 2016 8:17:58 GMT -5
One song changed up...one song...can make a world of difference for the hardcore fans... One song changed from night-to-night or one song that's never really played? They sort of did the night-to-night thing on the U.S. leg of the Astronaut tour in 2005. The Chauffeur and Night Boat would alternate on every other night, and there might have been one other duo they were doing the same thing with. The only thing that hinders that is that some people will wish they got such song one night and got the other one.... I know that's what I was thinking when I thought I'd never hear The Chauffeur on that tour, haha. As for the one rare song... even though it's an alright idea in practice, it'd still come down to what song it was and how many people know it. For example, I wouldn't doubt that a Secret Oktober would be better received than Love Voodoo or a a Liberty track (not bashing there... I'm just pointing out that you'll get a lot more people singing and reacting to a well-known b-side than a song off the lesser known albums). But then it'd ultimately be a thing where it's even played consistently or just the one time (as many seldom-played tracks have been in the past). Then it could be a disease of 'more' thing where the debate becomes "Well, if they can play this song, why can't they do more than one?", etc.
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Post by andre005 on May 4, 2016 9:16:59 GMT -5
I am even fine with duran changing space Oddity and maybe changing it up with Rebel rebel and Fame...yes they aren't duran tunes.. but it mixes things up and keeps it fresh...I am just upset that duran can't throw an audible because of nick and yes I know their concerts are technical with all the programmed lights and videos...but their catalogue is huge where they are doing a diservice to fans..just change it up a bit with a song from night to night that is all...one song makes a huge difference as some have already mentioned.
This song would so rock live..better than white lines...
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Post by mynick7 on May 4, 2016 21:52:12 GMT -5
I don't get this discussion/obsession....
I read every post and try to understand but I come back to the same thought: what the heck is the difference? DD is still performing, still pumping out albums, and here people are still complaining about the set list. They have to play from their new album and then fill in with the "hits" and then others. IDWYL was for the diehard fans, I believe, because even though that song was on a GH album, it still wasn't fully recognized. In my experience in Austin, the crowd didn't react as well to that song because it wasn't as well known. I sang it because I knew it. My cousin, a casual fan, did not. When I go to KC with my friend, I'm sure she will be the same way...although she has really been listening to PG (a copy I gave her) and loves a lot of the songs on there. But again, back to my question.
Why? What's the big deal? I got off just as much when they did Rio as I did when they played TMI, White Lines, IDWYL and NMOM.
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Post by andre005 on May 5, 2016 9:30:25 GMT -5
I don't get this discussion/obsession.... I read every post and try to understand but I come back to the same thought: what the heck is the difference? DD is still performing, still pumping out albums, and here people are still complaining about the set list. They have to play from their new album and then fill in with the "hits" and then others. IDWYL was for the diehard fans, I believe, because even though that song was on a GH album, it still wasn't fully recognized. In my experience in Austin, the crowd didn't react as well to that song because it wasn't as well known. I sang it because I knew it. My cousin, a casual fan, did not. When I go to KC with my friend, I'm sure she will be the same way...although she has really been listening to PG (a copy I gave her) and loves a lot of the songs on there. But again, back to my question. Why? What's the big deal? I got off just as much when they did Rio as I did when they played TMI, White Lines, IDWYL and NMOM. You make a point..but I am only defending fans who hit 2 or 3 shows in a,row..and there are many on this board that shell out big bucks to travel and maybe they don't want to see same set list back to back..just looking for spontiety and wow factor by just changing 1 song night in and night out that is all...
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Post by trevgreg on May 5, 2016 10:02:05 GMT -5
When I’ve seen people bring that up on other message boards, I always say something along the lines of how maybe going to more than one show just isn’t everyone’s thing then… which is fine, honestly. I still think there’s a lot more to shows than seeing something different played (being with fellow fans, exploring the city you’re visiting, taking pictures, etc.). But the fact is that most people are going to only one show anyway, and if it actually bothers people to go to more than one if there’s only a 1-3 song difference (if that), then they shouldn’t waste the money. See them once or the next time around and enjoy yourself, you know?
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