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Post by oakey on Aug 31, 2015 13:35:15 GMT -5
I'm not interested in virtuoso. Peter Hook is not the best bass player in the world, but he was instrumental in creating New Order's sound. Neil Tennant is not the best singer, but he made the Pet Shop Boys unique.
Toto is a band that consist of skilled musicians. It makes them very boring too.
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Post by zealous on Aug 31, 2015 13:35:30 GMT -5
Don't really know why this thread was resurrected other than someone really wanted to talk about Warren again. But since it is, I'll say this:
I thought Warren's guitar work with the band was fine. I don't think he was some kind of hero though. I never really liked the Missing Persons sound and I didn't like Duran's sound when Warren was in it either.
I very much did like the Duran sound with Andy. But I don't know that he's any kind of hero either. I just happen to think his influence within the band was much better (at least until it wasn't any more).
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Post by poptrash on Aug 31, 2015 14:00:36 GMT -5
. Missing Persons is a band nobody has heard of outside the USA. Even less known than a-ha in the US Hahahaha this is a great line and it even looks like you were waiting to spit it put!!! I like it.
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Post by tad on Aug 31, 2015 14:49:51 GMT -5
. Missing Persons is a band nobody has heard of outside the USA. Even less known than a-ha in the US Hahahaha this is a great line and it even looks like you were waiting to spit it put!!! I like it. ha! well, i felt like i was being rather harsh toward Warren, so i was trying to balance the harshness with a nice comment about Missing Persons. so to be honest, i really don't care either if Warren ever brings Missing Persons back!
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Post by james7609 on Aug 31, 2015 14:58:07 GMT -5
You know, of course, it's almost impossible to compare anything to glory of the first 3 albums. The Rio era is effectively untouchable,sonically and visually. That said, my fave 'albums' are Rio, So red, notorious, medazza and all you need, and it seems, Paper Gods (only heard the released 5 track, since no ones been able to send me a link, hint hint...)
I do think Wacu's interview is insightful. And clearly chimes with Nick's view of Andy.
He's at least honest when he says he has a naturally dominant approach when it comes to working with a band. And that's bound to annoy some. I see that as being open and honest, not arrogance. OW is timeless song. Up there with Lennon's imagine, even.
I love early Andy, but clearly the "unworkable gulf" has cost him and Duran a true second wind off success with the original 5.
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Post by tad on Aug 31, 2015 15:10:30 GMT -5
that said, i've always found Warren's attitude a bit frosty. 'my guitar playing is so awesome, man!'. really dude? arguably the worst Duran Duran records (aside from RCM) ALL happened on your watch. by the time the 90s were coming to a close, Warren's leadership of DD had left them forced out of two record deals, down the last Taylor, and with no real prospects to move forward as they were. but, hey 'his guitar playing is so awesome, man!'. give me a break. I feel the same. The Britishness of Duran is what I like about the band, and WC's American rock attitude is at odds with that. I really like TWA, but imo that --plus Electric Barbarella-- is the only memorable thing that WC contributed in his 13-year tenure with the band that stands out. Liberty, PT and Medazzaland are very poor albums and even Big Thing is not great (the few 'pop' songs are nice, but I hate the WC guitar crap --Lake Shore Driving etc-- on that album, have not played these songs sinds 1989). even TWA is hit and miss for me. i think it gets an unfair pass because of OW - a song that has become so larger than life in the Duran cannon that OW isn't even as good as 'OW: the legend'. don't get me wrong, it's a great song, but there are many other ballads by DD i would much rather listen to. and while OW might have saved their career, i personally don't think it saved the album. Warren's guitar riffs, and the cheesy drum machines ruin some of the songs i would otherwise enjoy. as an example, i HATE the guitar riff at the end of Sin of the City - totally ruins that song for me. UMF, Shotgun and To Whom it may Concern all suffer a similar fate.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 16:30:26 GMT -5
Look, Warren and Andy both were a major part of Duran Duran's history. And I stress the word HISTORY. Andy hasn't written or recorded with the band in almost a decade. Warren in over 15 years.
Both are long long gone from Duran, and the band has 3 albums now under their belt with no influence from either of them.
And neither person will ever be asked back, ever.
Andy was a great writer from 81 - 85, no doubt. His guitar riffs and work on that period defined Duran Duran. He was also on fire for The Power Station album and even his solo stuff to a degree. After that? It was over. His 'covers' album was a disaster, Power Station 2 sucked, and his work on Astronaut was not impressive.
Live 2003 - 2006; Andy cannot be matched. Simple as that - he brought real power to the live show, personality, and stunning guitar interpretations. Very missed on the live front.
Warren was a hired gun on Notorious and Big Thing, so those don't count. Liberty was a train wreck. TWA really wasn't a great album overall, but it has some amazing songs (OW, CU, TMI) and it can be argued those songs saved DD in the '90s.
Medazzaland and Pop Trash were not 'awful', but also not 'memorable'. Warren's main contribution was basically keeping DD alive from 93 - 95 and on life support until 2001. Live? He was decent, but really didn't have much stage presence. Played his parts. Yawn.
Between both these guys the only thing I really miss is Andy Taylor as the live guitarist in the band. Other than that? Nothing.
At this point in 2015? Warren may put out music, may play live who knows...
Andy? Since going dark in 2008 after his autobiography, he may finally have another hit with the new Tings Tings album.
Perhaps someday if there ever is a final DD show or tour, they may come back.
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Post by mynick7 on Sept 1, 2015 0:03:01 GMT -5
Look, Warren and Andy both were a major part of Duran Duran's history. And I stress the word HISTORY. Andy hasn't written or recorded with the band in almost a decade. Warren in over 15 years. Both are long long gone from Duran, and the band has 3 albums now under their belt with no influence from either of them. And neither person will ever be asked back, ever. Andy was a great writer from 81 - 85, no doubt. His guitar riffs and work on that period defined Duran Duran. He was also on fire for The Power Station album and even his solo stuff to a degree. After that? It was over. His 'covers' album was a disaster, Power Station 2 sucked, and his work on Astronaut was not impressive. Live 2003 - 2006; Andy cannot be matched. Simple as that - he brought real power to the live show, personality, and stunning guitar interpretations. Very missed on the live front. Warren was a hired gun on Notorious and Big Thing, so those don't count. Liberty was a train wreck. TWA really wasn't a great album overall, but it has some amazing songs (OW, CU, TMI) and it can be argued those songs saved DD in the '90s. Medazzaland and Pop Trash were not 'awful', but also not 'memorable'. Warren's main contribution was basically keeping DD alive from 93 - 95 and on life support until 2001. Live? He was decent, but really didn't have much stage presence. Played his parts. Yawn. Between both these guys the only thing I really miss is Andy Taylor as the live guitarist in the band. Other than that? Nothing. At this point in 2015? Warren may put out music, may play live who knows... Andy? Since going dark in 2008 after his autobiography, he may finally have another hit with the new Tings Tings album. Perhaps someday if there ever is a final DD show or tour, they may come back. Well put! I have only 2 disagreements. First, in my opinion, Medazzaland and Pop Trash are very memorable, TWA was great overall, and Liberty was far from a train wreck. Secondly, I thought Andy was great live in the beginning. When it came to the Astronaut tour, he sucked. He was overpowering and trying to take the spotlight. And anything he wasn't a part of creating was worse. At least his stage presence was better than Warren's. I will definitely agree with you on that.
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Post by luckytaylor on Sept 1, 2015 16:42:15 GMT -5
I remember an interview circa 2003-2004, when he was literally bashing Simon. He told something like when Simon sung Ordinary world, at the end of the song he thought "Oh, no, here we go again" kinda embarrased by it, among other things. Anyone remembers this?
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Post by andre005 on Sept 22, 2016 5:18:52 GMT -5
This interview is f-ing excellent! I've never seen it before. I am in total agreement of it. Everything! It's so good I've decided to resurrect it from the ashes. Get the hierarchy squirming a bit..hehe I see Warren as a bitter person. He rips anyone and can't keep a secret.very very unprofessional.it's as if he created those duran songs ie Barberalla so nobody else could duplicate him...I know he rips RCM and Astronaut..wondering what he thought about AYNIN and Paper gods? I give him props as a great guitarist but you can't confide in him because you know he'll blab...
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