An inside look at the US' Republican Party

[nightboat13]

For the love of Gid, please, everyone vote for democrats so we don't have to live in MM's and LP's world!!!

[marisan]

Oct 24, 2011 1:46:20 GMT -5 nightboat13 said:

For the love of Gid, please, everyone vote for democrats so we don't have to live in MM's and LP's world!!!

lol . . . There's no way I'd vote for Republicans. That said, I started to like Ron Paul better than Obama. Some of what Ron Paul says sound more liberal than Obama. If he wins the candidacy for the president, I'd vote for him and will ditch Obama. I agree with Republicans on the Immigration issue as well. "Dream act" seems to be hypocrical and placed out there for the "bate and switch" and to eventually exploit illegal immigrants for the corporate interest (i.e., cheap labors).

[La Princess]

Oct 24, 2011 1:46:20 GMT -5 nightboat13 said:

For the love of Gid, please, everyone vote for democrats so we don't have to live in MM's and LP's world!!!

There you go again, accusing me of being a Republican. I am not a Republican, I despise the right, but I also despise the left. I am tired of paying for those on welfare and tired of paying for illegals on welfare (and yes there are many). I have stated that I realize there are people who are poor who need assistance and are poor through no fault of their own. As a CHRISTIAN it is my duty to help these people. I have given money and food to homeless shelters. I have adopted a needy family and I know in this economy many are poor through no fault of their own. However, those who did it on their own (the welfare queens who keep making babies they know they can't afford)don't get my sympathy since they don't have to have babies. I am fine with people not being Christians and I don't think people of other religions are going to hell, but on the other hand I am always offended when people attack religion. Btw, the Catholic church is the largest supplier of charity but I bet those who are far left hate them because of their religious views which clearly state unwed parenthood is not right. I do not agree with all their views either.

I do not agree with everything MM says but at least she is rational about why she feels the way she does. I don't see her bashing others and calling people who disagree with her a Democrat. In fact she has stated earlier she has given to charity. That doesn't sound mean at all.

Btw, if I am a Republican explain how I have never voed for a Republican for president? I have voted: Clinton (twice), Gore, Kerry, Obama. Which one was a Republican? I have voted Republican in several Illinois races but that's because our Democrats in Cook County are tax and spend fiscal liberals and I am a fiscal conservative. However, when it comes to conservative socially I will vote Democrat because I am pretty moderate to liberal socially. The state Republicans here for the most part are sane pro choice pro gay rights Republicans. There are many issues I agree with the Dems about, but mostly am opposed to both parties. I am opposed to outsourcing as both parties support it.

[La Princess]

Oct 24, 2011 11:50:30 GMT -5 marisan said:

lol . . . There's no way I'd vote for Republicans. That said, I started to like Ron Paul better than Obama. Some of what Ron Paul says sound more liberal than Obama. If he wins the candidacy for the president, I'd vote for him and will ditch Obama. I agree with Republicans on the Immigration issue as well. "Dream act" seems to be hypocrical and placed out there for the "bate and switch" and to eventually exploit illegal immigrants for the corporate interest (i.e., cheap labors).

The Dream Act is bad but not because of exploiting labor. The Dream Act would in effect reward those who did an illegal thing (crossing the border)by allowing their kids to become citizens. I feel sorry for the kids who were innocent, but the effect is it would allow the parents (who broke the law)to stay. The reason Obama likes this is because Hispanics (except Cubans in Miami)tend to vote Democratic. Whether people want to realize this or not, but we need to deport many of the illegals because they came here ILLEGALLY. This is especially true when it comes to welfare. Did you know that in Illinois a good majority of those on Medicaid are illegals and their kids? Yet if you are a childless American forget getting assistance. I don't want to support anyone who's a drain on the system but especially not people who aren't citizens and shouldn't be here.

If Ron Paul ran I would likely vote for him. I do not agree with everything he says but I support many of his views.

[nightboat13]

I never said you were a republican, but twice you said I did.

Fine, if I'm going to be accused of something I might as well do it.

You're a teatard repuglican that has no connection to society as a whole, because that's how the far right works. The poor are poor because they're lazy, everyone makes lots of money on welfare, spawning is much easier than holding a job, government has no business regulating anyone except for old people, poor people, non-christians, immigrants, and women; in spite of the fact that we are a world power we need to isolate ourselves from the world and discontinue all foreign policy, the rich should be given eternal tax breaks on the off chance that they will create jobs one day, in spite of a filibustered Congress, it's somehow Obama's fault that few bills got passed in 2009/10. If Obama wins, the sky will fall, but if Ron Paul wins and the current disastrous wingnut economic and regulatory practices continue, somehow everything will turn out just fine, we'll shit rainbows and puke glitter and be prosperous ever after.

There. Better?

[La Princess]

Oct 28, 2011 22:09:19 GMT -5 nightboat13 said:

I never said you were a republican, but twice you said I did

Considering I have said I do not like the tea party means that I am neither a Republican nor a tea party person at all. I have repeatedly stated this but because I despise the far left in your world I must be a tea party person. No, I am for the most part a Libertarian because I do not want government intruding in my private life, nor do I want to support those people who refuse to work (and I am not talking about the unemployed due to this economy).

Ok let's take you words part by part because some of them are pretty silly and in most cases do not even pertain to ANYTHING I've said.

The poor are poor because they're lazy, everyone makes lots of money on welfare, spawning is much easier than holding a job,

Many people on welfare yes are lazy. I've known a few. Have I said ALL people on welfare are lazy? Nope never said that at all. As for making a lot of money on welfare, the system here is very generous and yes many have babies rather than work. Explain why I should pay for a woman who is 24, has 9 babies and never held a job, like someone in the paper? I have no problem helping her out if she is helping herself by bettering herself. However, she never should have had 9 babies she couldn't afford. I do not support destroying welfare and have never stated this. I would make it like unemployment and make sure those on welfare were working any type of job while receiving aid.

government has no business regulating anyone except for old people, poor people, non-christians, immigrants, and women;

Where have I stated business shouldn't be regulated? I am opposed to free market policies that are making people poor while people get rich. As for the rest that makes no sense but once again the far left uses the agenda that those of us opposed to life long welfare are racist, etc. No, I don't feel welfare should be given to most immigrants. If they want to come here they need to bring a skill. In Illinois over 70% of those on Medicaid are ILLEGALS and their children. What skill did they bring except spawning kids?

Your comments about Christians are rather odd, but I don't care what non Christians do. Considering I have a Jewish grandparent I doubt I am opposed to non Christians. No, I am opposed to those who try to take away Christian ideas like Christmas or try to push an agenda that I am opposed to.

in spite of the fact that we are a world power we need to isolate ourselves from the world and discontinue all foreign policy,

I am tired of giving money to other countries while people in this country starve. That doesn't sound right wing, it sounds left wing, how is that if I am such a right winger as you claim? I am opposed to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as well.

the rich should be given eternal tax breaks on the off chance that they will create jobs one day,

Once again twisting my words to fit your agenda. I am opposed to tax breaks for the rich, UNLESS they are given the tax breaks to create new jobs.Otherwise, no I do not approve of tax breaks. I definitely disapprove of tax breaks to send jobs overseas, and in fact am opposed to outsourcing.

in spite of a filibustered Congress, it's somehow Obama's fault that few bills got passed in 2009/10.

I blame everyone including Obama. He's not doing what he promised and he had a Democratic Congress his first two years so nice try.

If Obama wins, the sky will fall, but if Ron Paul wins and the current disastrous wingnut economic and regulatory practices continue, somehow everything will turn out just fine, we'll shit rainbows and puke glitter and be prosperous ever after.

What in the hell? First off Paul will not win. However, if you want to talk about a president who destroyed many economic policies look no further than Clinton. I supported him when he was president, but he did a lot of terrible economic things while in power, such as repeal Glass-Stegal, NAFTA, and 1996 Telecommunications Act. Paul btw is opposed to these wars and possibly would bring home all the troops. I am not a Ron Paul supporter or any kind of politician supporter.

[nightboat13]

Considering I have said I do not like the tea party means that I am neither a Republican nor a tea party person at all. I have repeatedly stated this but because I despise the far left in your world I must be a tea party person.

Like I said, twice you stated that I called you a republican. I did not. The first time I was referring to how republicans vote in Congress. Are you in Congress? No. The second time I was referring to republicans in general, and once again your ego took over and you projected yourself into the scenario.

This last time I did it because hell, if I'm being accused of it I might as well do it.

[sarahb1863]

If Herman Cain can't make this sexual harassment allegation go away, he's in trouble. He's trying to squirm out of admitting to it, but every time he opens his mouth he digs himself in deeper. We'll see what happens.

[bloodshift]

An interesting piece by Leonard Pitts on Cain, with a section I've highlighted:

www.freep.com/article/20111018/OPINION03/110180318/Leonard-Pitts-Race-Herman-Cain-victim-victims?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|s

This is for those who keep asking what I think of Herman Cain. In particular, it's for those who want to know what the tea party's embrace of this black businessman turned presidential candidate says about my claim that the tea party is racist.

I might eat the plate of crow those folks proffer if I'd ever actually made that claim. What I have said, fairly consistently, is something more nuanced: Racial animus is an element of tea party ideology, but not its entirety. As I once noted in this space, the tea party probably would not exist if Condoleezza Rice were president.

Modern social conservatives, in my experience, do not hate black people en masse. To the contrary, there are two kinds of blacks they love. The first is those, like Rice, who are mainly mute on the subject of race, seldom so impolite as to say or do anything that might remind people they are black. The second is those who will engage on race, but only to lecture other blacks for their failures as conservatives conceive them. And that, friends and neighbors, is Herman Cain all over.

"I don't believe racism in this country today holds anybody back in a big way," he told CNN recently. Had he contended too many African Americans use racism as an excuse for failure to succeed and even failure to try, Cain would have gotten no grief from me; I've made that argument often.

But what he said was that racism is no longer a factor. He surely warmed the hearts of his conservative fellow travelers who swear blacks have the same opportunity to succeed as whites if they'd only get off their lazy so-and-sos.

It is a claim spectacularly at odds with reality, given that African-American unemployment runs twice that of whites, given that the Agriculture Department admits to systematically discriminating against black farmers, given documentation of a "justice" system engaged in the mass incarceration of young black men.

But what made the claim truly bizarre is that, two days later, Cain branded himself a victim of racism. Specifically, he said some black people are "racist" because they disagree with his politics. So blacks aren't held back by racism, but Cain is?

Lord, give me strength.

He thus neatly encapsulates what has become an article of faith for many white conservatives; namely, that it is they, not black and brown people, who are the true victims of bigotry. Mind you, they have not a shred of a scrap of a scintilla of evidence to support this, but they believe it anyway. And now they find support for their idiocy in this Negro from Atlanta.

One of the least-discussed impacts of the black experience in America is its emotional toll. African Americans were psychologically maimed by this country, the expression of which can still be seen in the visceral self-loathing that afflicts too many.

Meaning the black child who equates doing well in school with "acting white." Meaning the famous black man who bleaches his skin. Meaning the famous black woman who rationalizes her use of a certain soul-killing racial epithet. Meaning Herman Cain.

In his diminution of African-American struggle, he comes across as a man profoundly at odds with the skin he's in. He seems embarrassed he's black.

For what it's worth, I suspect black folks aren't real happy about it, either.

LEONARD PITTS JR. is a columnist for the Miami Herald, 1 Herald Plaza, Miami, Fla. 33132. Write to him at [e-mail] .

[La Princess]

I do think there is racism out there, I think there are many forms of discrimination, like sexism and homophobia. As a woman I have encountered severe sexism as have many women I know because to some sexism is still ok while racism is always wrong. I would state neither racism nor sexism is ever right.

Do I think being black is an impediment to becoming successful? honestly yes, but a lot depends on the demographic. Low income people of any race have it rough no matter what. They usually have inferior schools and often one or no parents at all. While I do state part of it is to stop glorifying teen pregnancy (which is part of the problem)the other part is make the schools better. Really push an idea that school is important.

I think many people make the mistake that all blacks are in fact liberal Democrats. There are many black Republicans and even conservative Democrats who support things like welfare but are opposed to social issues like gay marriage and abortion. I know plenty in fact who are strongly opposed to unwed parenthood and there is actually a movement to slow down this serious problem that causes many things from gangs to drugs. Many blacks also hate the race baiters, because they feel they make the issue worse.

I do not think that being a black Republican makes someone an "Uncle Tom", but I also don't get those who endured racism and support it to some extent. To me it's the same as when a woman believes a woman should be paid less for doing the same job.

Speaking of Herman Cain, there is stories coming out that they think one of his opponents leaked this story. I suspect that is true. I do not think he will be nominated though because I don't know if the hardcore Republicans would really be open to voting for a black man.