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Post by uraniumplayer on Jul 6, 2020 11:28:46 GMT -5
What a shame that Sterling only plays on maybe two of the actual songs on the album. He sounds amazing on the clip. Was that Chris Kinsey’s choice to use programmed drum tracks rather than Sterling? Why become a five piece again and then continue to rely on drum machines? Can you elaborate on this? I never realized they used drum machines on Liberty. Not being a musician, I will readily admit that I probably wouldn’t be able to tell the difference when listening. But this seems at odds with everything I’ve heard about the Liberty sessions.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 11:35:36 GMT -5
What a shame that Sterling only plays on maybe two of the actual songs on the album. He sounds amazing on the clip. Was that Chris Kinsey’s choice to use programmed drum tracks rather than Sterling? Why become a five piece again and then continue to rely on drum machines? Can you elaborate on this? I never realized they used drum machines on Liberty. Not being a musician, I will readily admit that I probably wouldn’t be able to tell the difference when listening. But this seems at odds with everything I’ve heard about the Liberty sessions. It’s true. I think John brushes over it on the interview. But from personal chats he has confirmed it. duranduranrocks.com/john-joness-finest-hour-the-wedding-album-25th-anniversary/
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 12:36:02 GMT -5
What a shame that Sterling only plays on maybe two of the actual songs on the album. He sounds amazing on the clip. Was that Chris Kinsey’s choice to use programmed drum tracks rather than Sterling? Why become a five piece again and then continue to rely on drum machines? Can you elaborate on this? I never realized they used drum machines on Liberty. Not being a musician, I will readily admit that I probably wouldn’t be able to tell the difference when listening. But this seems at odds with everything I’ve heard about the Liberty sessions. Sorry to quote again.. I just asked John Jones and he came back with this.. “I don’t remember (which tracks he played on) offhand. I’ll see what I can find in my notes, but I think he only played on a few songs. Many of them he gave me the beat which I programmed and Nick and I developed. So Sterling was fully involved in the preproduction demos, plus they had mostly written the music together at Stanbridge.”
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Post by uraniumplayer on Jul 6, 2020 16:07:37 GMT -5
Can you elaborate on this? I never realized they used drum machines on Liberty. Not being a musician, I will readily admit that I probably wouldn’t be able to tell the difference when listening. But this seems at odds with everything I’ve heard about the Liberty sessions. Sorry to quote again.. I just asked John Jones and he came back with this.. “I don’t remember (which tracks he played on) offhand. I’ll see what I can find in my notes, but I think he only played on a few songs. Many of them he gave me the beat which I programmed and Nick and I developed. So Sterling was fully involved in the preproduction demos, plus they had mostly written the music together at Stanbridge.” Thank you John!!! So...another question: is this a normal way to create an album? I recall Roger commenting on how the Night Versions were created - that due to the lack of technology at the time, he had to flawlessly play the longer versions. With sampling technology and digital editing, that wouldn’t have been the case in 1990...I guess I just assumed that absent the band playing it live in the studio, each member laid down his part live? Is Roger live drumming on the recent albums? Sorry if these are dumb questions.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 16:18:20 GMT -5
Sorry to quote again.. I just asked John Jones and he came back with this.. “I don’t remember (which tracks he played on) offhand. I’ll see what I can find in my notes, but I think he only played on a few songs. Many of them he gave me the beat which I programmed and Nick and I developed. So Sterling was fully involved in the preproduction demos, plus they had mostly written the music together at Stanbridge.” Thank you John!!! So...another question: is this a normal way to create an album? I recall Roger commenting on how the Night Versions were created - that due to the lack of technology at the time, he had to flawlessly play the longer versions. With sampling technology and digital editing, that wouldn’t have been the case in 1990...I guess I just assumed that absent the band playing it live in the studio, each member laid down his part live? Is Roger live drumming on the recent albums? Sorry if these are dumb questions. You’re welcome! How can it be a dumb question if you don’t know? I’ll send the other question across to him.
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Post by americanscientist on Jul 6, 2020 18:22:55 GMT -5
I remember from the fan Q & A with John Jones that the final product is mostly programmed drums. I could be wrong but the only song with Sterling playing drums is Serious. Which is wild because why even expand back to a five piece in the first place?
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Post by aftertherain on Jul 6, 2020 19:16:31 GMT -5
Thank you John!!! So...another question: is this a normal way to create an album? I recall Roger commenting on how the Night Versions were created - that due to the lack of technology at the time, he had to flawlessly play the longer versions. With sampling technology and digital editing, that wouldn’t have been the case in 1990...I guess I just assumed that absent the band playing it live in the studio, each member laid down his part live? Is Roger live drumming on the recent albums? Sorry if these are dumb questions. You’re welcome! How can it be a dumb question if you don’t know? I’ll send the other question across to him. What is a normal way to make an LP when the original drummer and Guitarist have gone and a band is still working out the band format, fitting in to the current music mode gaining a new audience and whether every member is in it 110% dont get me wrong I love Sterlings contribution to DD however in no time at all in 91 he appeared on the front cover of a magazine with soul asylum if my memory serves me correctly and soon after that was in Bowies band. Imo if he left DD coz Liberty never set the charts on fire ? It's a little shallow for a serious muso he shoulda hung around for the TWA then ? perhaps he discovered being a band member and crating new music wasn't for him yet being a session drummer touring the world with an established act like DBowie was !
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Post by taylorism on Jul 6, 2020 19:53:41 GMT -5
So...another question: is this a normal way to create an album? There isn't a normal way anymore, you can do whatever you think works better for the final product, but i cannot understand, why giving Sterling a band membership, wanting to re create the live rush of the Big Thing Tour, and then go and program the beats? makes no sense for me. If i have to take a guess, just by listening, i can imagine Sterling recording Serious (as Skinburn confirmed thanks to JJ), and then adding some fills in All Along The Water, Can You Deal With It, Venice Drowning and Hothead. Is strange that "rocker" track, First Impression, is the one that has the most dull sequence drum of all the album.
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Post by medazzahalo on Jul 9, 2020 13:56:43 GMT -5
Wow! Really interesting time capsule of footage here. And I think we have found the exact moment that John ditched the Kubicki.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 16:36:38 GMT -5
Sorry to quote again.. I just asked John Jones and he came back with this.. “I don’t remember (which tracks he played on) offhand. I’ll see what I can find in my notes, but I think he only played on a few songs. Many of them he gave me the beat which I programmed and Nick and I developed. So Sterling was fully involved in the preproduction demos, plus they had mostly written the music together at Stanbridge.” Thank you John!!! So...another question: is this a normal way to create an album? I recall Roger commenting on how the Night Versions were created - that due to the lack of technology at the time, he had to flawlessly play the longer versions. With sampling technology and digital editing, that wouldn’t have been the case in 1990...I guess I just assumed that absent the band playing it live in the studio, each member laid down his part live? Is Roger live drumming on the recent albums? Sorry if these are dumb questions. And another answer from John Jones... “Yes. By the time we began Liberty almost everything except the vocals were programmed. Then we went in the studio and played along with the program, replacing with the better performance. With Liberty, Simon had 22 preprogrammed demoes to write lyrics to. A daunting task!” Not sure if that answers your question - you would have to ask the producers of the recent albums. But this is JJ’s response to Liberty anyway.
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