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Post by bluedemon25 on Mar 17, 2024 17:07:25 GMT -5
Still not clear on what exactly LUF is could you please explain it more? What is it measuring and how?
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Post by intravenus on Mar 17, 2024 17:51:43 GMT -5
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Post by ohioduran on Mar 18, 2024 2:32:31 GMT -5
This is a great / interesting thread but wow we just need to calm down a bit, eh?
In GENERAL, loud tracks can sound fantastic on their own. Mentally - even subconsciously - they can be a challenge to listen to back-to-back or repeatedly for some.
To me, with so much streaming and "pick what you want" to hear, I rarely listen to albums straight through after the first few times, even on albums I love.
But the loudness definitely comes into play with Future Past - so many of the tracks are great but there's no way I can start-to-back it as much as the first albums any more.
My best friend is a music and concert/festival buddy and he can listen to compressed in your face radio and dance tracks 24/7. It's insanity to me (and his poor wife!).
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Post by maxim on Mar 18, 2024 3:57:12 GMT -5
I'm afraid some people may get the wrong idea of what we are discussing here, seeing the word 'loudness' instead of 'compression'. Any music can be louder or quieter if you just turn your volume control up or down. As for me, I prefer to listen to loud music, so I could hear all the details. The problem with high compression is that no matter what level the volume is set on your amplifier, the music will always lack depth, sound squashed and cause listening fatigue. I can listen to a few thrash metal albums (non-remastered) recorded in the 80s without getting tired, but I can't listen to more than 3-4 FP songs in a row.
Besides high compression sucks the life out of music, making it.. well, less art and more like a commodity. It destroys the individual character of music, it sounds the same on every album. I've just relistened to Medazzaland. Indeed, the album has some issues with mastering/mixing, but if they ever remaster it and make it sound like any other brickwalled album, then I'll say 'Thanks, but no thanks, I'll stick with my original version.'
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Post by Sir rogerlejohn jr. on Mar 18, 2024 14:32:21 GMT -5
DM:
The Duran Duran band is surprising with this Halloween album, they have fun with a Dolby Atmos soundtrack that mixes the Halloween spirit with the music and spatialization to make a reference mix for this spatial format. This is an album to be listened to on a Dolby Atmos system if you have the opportunity. The stereo is logically less spatial, but remains more pleasant when listened to on vinyl (or in a Dolby Atmos downmix) than the digital stereo version affected by the loudness war, and the vinyl also comes with a beautiful Halloween cover and booklet.
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Post by duranfan09 on Mar 19, 2024 19:02:40 GMT -5
DM: The Duran Duran band is surprising with this Halloween album, they have fun with a Dolby Atmos soundtrack that mixes the Halloween spirit with the music and spatialization to make a reference mix for this spatial format. This is an album to be listened to on a Dolby Atmos system if you have the opportunity. The stereo is logically less spatial, but remains more pleasant when listened to on vinyl (or in a Dolby Atmos downmix) than the digital stereo version affected by the loudness war, and the vinyl also comes with a beautiful Halloween cover and booklet. I have no issues listening to DM. The mixing by Bob Clearmountain is flawless and it isn't remotely as 'brickwalled' as FP.
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Post by fictionalsounds on Mar 23, 2024 11:16:48 GMT -5
This is a great / interesting thread but wow we just need to calm down a bit, eh? In GENERAL, loud tracks can sound fantastic on their own. Mentally - even subconsciously - they can be a challenge to listen to back-to-back or repeatedly for some. To me, with so much streaming and "pick what you want" to hear, I rarely listen to albums straight through after the first few times, even on albums I love. But the loudness definitely comes into play with Future Past - so many of the tracks are great but there's no way I can start-to-back it as much as the first albums any more. My best friend is a music and concert/festival buddy and he can listen to compressed in your face radio and dance tracks 24/7. It's insanity to me (and his poor wife!). well said. both about the discussion/attitude, and my own experience with “future past,” and other heavily brickwalled albums. sometimes i really think about how much i love the album—and i really think it’s a great duran duran album—but really don’t listen to it from start to finish. the loudness/compression listening fatigue is real, and it wears me out. the same goes for the remasters of the first five albums—if anyone doesn’t understand the concept/topic about “the loudness wars,” they should take an original 1980s compact disc of “duran duran” and compare it to the remastered 2010 compact disc. the original feels more natural, less forced, almost with space in the mix—the 2010 remaster sounds/feels pushed to every extreme and cramped, no room or space to breathe. i don’t even need a breakdown of numbers and data to hear it—and that’s why i still have my originals, and enjoy the remasters for the extras and packaging.
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Post by maxim on Mar 24, 2024 0:54:27 GMT -5
Thank you for mentioning the 2010 remasters. Actually it is an interesting story. When they released the first 3 albums remasters, the reaction of many fans regarding the sound quality was so negative that EMI had to make a special statement, reluctantly admitting the issues with the mastering. EMI defends Duran Duran remastersHowever the remasters of Notorious and Big Thing, released after that, had substantially better dynamics, being compressed only slightly (SATRT - DR7, Notorious - DR12). I believe it answers the question '' what can we, fans, do about it?''.
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Post by aftertherain on Mar 24, 2024 1:23:14 GMT -5
Thank you for mentioning the 2010 remasters. Actually it is an interesting story. When they released the first 3 albums remasters, the reaction of many fans regarding the sound quality was so negative that EMI had to publish a special statement, reluctantly admitting the issues with the mastering. EMI defends Duran Duran remastersHowever the remasters for Notorious and Big Thing, released after that, had substantially better dynamics, being compressed only slightly (SATRT - DR7, Notorious - DR12). I believe it answers the question '' what can we, fans, do about it?''. I can’t listen to GOF from the re mastering CD 💿 they F’d up its intro big time, sound quality aside when something like that is so evident up front in the songs intro, it’s all downhill from there I’d rather listen to my GOF vinyl single purchased in 1981 yes I still have it and in actual fact it’s in way better condition than the 12 inch once I got my hands on the 12 inch nightversion, the 7 inch was never played, considering GOF was on the LP I think I only purchased the 7 inch for a copy of Faster Than Light if the only mater tapes in existence feature that GOF intro stuff up, well that’s disappointing to a far lower level
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Post by jupiter on Mar 24, 2024 6:17:37 GMT -5
Just as a comparison, what albums do board members like sound wise?
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