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Post by figital on Dec 17, 2010 12:29:33 GMT -5
i think that the fact that the band is new to the idea of not having a label is a bit harder for them than they might have thought at first...it's pretty choppy seas to navigate even for the strongest of players.
this is the one that will give them their sea legs to be able to see the playing field as it is now as opposed to the way it used to be.
as well, nick mentioned that apple came to them with a plan...so that has to have something to do with it. perhaps apple demands some sort of exclusive window when they do a deal with a high profile band?
i won't be feeling any ill will to people who download the album for free and then actually do buy the cd or the vinyl or both in feb. i will be feeling ill will towards the people who SAY they're going to pay for the content somehow and then don't bother. that's far worse...
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Post by figital on Dec 17, 2010 12:50:27 GMT -5
yup, here's my collateral as well...
for the new album i even bought an itunes gift card. i hate itunes but sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2010 13:12:12 GMT -5
Mmmmm... Just think that there 'could' have been a much better way of doing it for those of us who are 'flac snobs'... ...or rather aren't exactly satisfied with shonky quality & a non-physical copy...
Well, forgetting the 'pay what you want' element of Radiohead's In Rainbows premise (as they'd said they didn't want to go that route), there was also the option of pre-ordering a (quite beautiful) vinyl & CD boxset which, whilst you only had mp3s instantly, actually gave you a physical product for your money - & meant that there weren't randomly huge quantities of the thing made as they were pressed subsequently.
Or, alternatively, The Duke Spirit (who supported D2 in 2008 & are fabulous imho) are similarly releasing the physical version of their Kusama EP in the UK in February (earlier in the US), but are also giving a download option on the 21st as well... ...however, for your US$35 (inc shipping), you get the choice of the EP in mp3 or Apple lossless + a t-shirt & signed screen printed poster...
it really does put the D2 plan into perspective imho when other bands can come up with much better deals for their fans...
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Post by nigeltufnel on Dec 17, 2010 13:21:54 GMT -5
I like it a lot, but I don't think it's genius. You didn't leave an option for me in the poll!
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Post by figital on Dec 17, 2010 13:29:08 GMT -5
Mmmmm... Just think that there 'could' have been a much better way of doing it for those of us who are 'flac snobs'... ...or rather aren't exactly satisfied with shonky quality & a non-physical copy... Well, forgetting the 'pay what you want' element of Radiohead's In Rainbows premise (as they'd said they didn't want to go that route), there was also the option of pre-ordering a (quite beautiful) vinyl & CD boxset which, whilst you only had mp3s instantly, actually gave you a physical product for your money - & meant that there weren't randomly huge quantities of the thing made as they were pressed subsequently. Or, alternatively, The Duke Spirit (who supported D2 in 2008 & are fabulous imho) are similarly releasing the physical version of their Kusama EP in the UK in February (earlier in the US), but are also giving a download option on the 21st as well... ...however, for your US$35 (inc shipping), you get the choice of the EP in mp3 or Apple lossless + a t-shirt & signed screen printed poster... it really does put the D2 plan into perspective imho when other bands can come up with much better deals for their fans... you make some great points... the radiohead model works well for a band of dd's calibre. i think it would have been a good idea to take something like this onboard. oh well, there's always next time!
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Post by emptypromises on Dec 17, 2010 13:43:07 GMT -5
Considering that there are two types of music fans today - those who will purchase digital downloads (and be happy with them), and those who want a physical product. If you release the physical product (CD or vinyl) at the same time as a digital release, the likelyhood of anyone paying for digital downloads is low.
Since DD *DO NOT HAVE A RECORD DEAL* with any company that will properly market and distribute, it's pretty smart IMHO to have an iTunes exclusive (meaning Apple is likely paying the band better royalties than a non-exclusive deal).
In February, everyone that wants an actual CD buys it. I honestly do not believe band or management is expecting anyone to buy the album twice. You either buy one, or the other.
I for one, will never purchase an mp3 from iTunes at any price. But that's me.
Bottom line, given the current options, this is one of the best (although not only) options for the band to have pursued.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2010 14:04:15 GMT -5
It's not even a matter of being a FLAC snob. It's about wanting to re-rip the music in different formats if I have to. The "flac snob" comment was a bit of a private joke... it wasn't meant negatively... Though do agree. Once again, DD just isn't good enough, or doing enough, in the eye's of some of the fanbase. They should do it like this band did it or that band did it. Thing is, if they did that they would just be seen as imitating what someone else did and they would probably be trashed for that too. Here, the band thought they were doing a good thing for their fanbase by giving them access to a bunch of new songs long before the physical release and THEN for making them wait for the physical release, they give them some more new songs to add on to the physical release. Nope, turns out everyone would have rather have waited until late Feb. so that way they could complain about how DD doesn't release material fast enough. The band really seem like they are going to get it from some part of the fanbase no matter what they do. Accepting, for the sake of argument, that everything you've said is true, none of that would have stopped them from having an option that was more beneficial to the fans who shell out time & time again for CDs & tickets & T-shirts & whatnot would it...? i've not said "don't have an early download version" have i??? - simply that there are other options that could either guaranty sales of a more expensive product (ie a boxset) before any are physically made, or have extra value (like the t-shirt/poster thing linked solely to the download)... ...neither of which would preclude someone from only buying it as a download if that's what they wanted or meaning that the physical thing couldn't be sent out in February around the time of the standard releases - just giving the fans the option of something extra. My personal opinion though is that it seems to be more about getting us to buy yet another copy - which, as i'll certainly be buying it in the various formats in February, seems a little like profiteering. Considering that there are two types of music fans today - those who will purchase digital downloads (and be happy with them), and those who want a physical product. If you release the physical product (CD or vinyl) at the same time as a digital release, the likelyhood of anyone paying for digital downloads is low. Since DD *DO NOT HAVE A RECORD DEAL* with any company that will properly market and distribute, it's pretty smart IMHO to have an iTunes exclusive (meaning Apple is likely paying the band better royalties than a non-exclusive deal). In February, everyone that wants an actual CD buys it. I honestly do not believe band or management is expecting anyone to buy the album twice. You either buy one, or the other. I for one, will never purchase an mp3 from iTunes at any price. But that's me. Bottom line, given the current options, this is one of the best (although not only) options for the band to have pursued. See above... (ie that i'm not necessarily arguing against having a digital download before the physical release - just that there 'could' have been kinder options) Plus RH also didn't have a record deal at the time of the In Rainbows experiment... ...only one part of which i've suggested following as the band actively stated they didn't believe in the other.
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Post by slumdogduranie on Dec 17, 2010 14:19:41 GMT -5
Once again, DD just isn't good enough, or doing enough, in the eye's of some of the fanbase. They should do it like this band did it or that band did it. Thing is, if they did that they would just be seen as imitating what someone else did and they would probably be trashed for that too. Here, the band thought they were doing a good thing for their fanbase by giving them access to a bunch of new songs long before the physical release and THEN for making them wait for the physical release, they give them some more new songs to add on to the physical release. Nope, turns out everyone would have rather have waited until late Feb. so that way they could complain about how DD doesn't release material fast enough. The band really seem like they are going to get it from some part of the fanbase no matter what they do. So what? The fan base always seems to get it from you lol Cheers ;D
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Post by figital on Dec 17, 2010 14:25:39 GMT -5
don't get me wrong randal. i am all for what they're doing...however being someone who works in the music industry, i think they could have taken it one step further. i think they could have done some pre-order scenario with free mp3s where you'd get something that sort of just took the best of ideas already used by bands like radiohead, nine inch nails, bjork and lots more...all of them are on a simliar level in fame as dd, but didn't copy them wholesale.
i think the key in the new landscape is to monetize as many tiers as you can...from the simple mp3 128k bottom of the barrel all the way up to the limited edition signed art piece at the top.
all the fans have varying degrees of cash to spend, so it just makes sense to cater as many of them as you can.
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