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Post by mynick7 on May 12, 2015 22:57:17 GMT -5
Well, he didn't mention it in his book, but it was at a time where he needed to find himself again. I know Nick has said that getting that phone call was one of the hardest he's ever had and not having John in the group anymore was really devastating. I honestly don't know...except that he was trying to put his life back together and that didn't include commuting to London from LA all of the time.
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Post by coolbarn on May 13, 2015 0:21:02 GMT -5
Whenever these topics are discussed I always just assume that posters are engaging in extreme speculation and are too unsophisticated to realize that they should label it as such. How many real-life Duran Duran members regularly post here, or any Duran forum for that matter? They might skim the odd forum from time to time for a laugh or to gauge perceptions, but in terms of regular posting I'm pretty sure the answer would be zero. Therefore everything posted on these forums is speculation. Everything is opinion. This is a public Duran Duran Message Board, not the Duran Duran fact announcement website. So take everything you read with a grain of salt. Every single thing. Quite simply we are here to discuss things Duran-related. And sometimes threads morph to discuss things non-Duran related. To share opinions. To debate intelligently and politely. To continue to carry the Duran flame as the last remaining Durannies on earth. We're just a group of people, all with different opinions, with a similar interest in an old pop band. And everyone knows this. The onus isn't on everybody to be "sophisticated" enough to label every one of their posts, otherwise you might as well have a disclaimer template at the top of every message box in big, bold lettering and flashing neon lights. The onus is on the reader to know it is speculation and opinion, and then to know you have one of two options: 1) You can add to the thread with your OWN opinion and speculation, in a polite and intelligent manner. 2) You can ignore the thread altogether and wait for more serious or factual ones, maybe ones related to single/album release dates, or world tour dates and destinations. But if you take a look at the main index they can be few and far in between. And this is not directed at you personally Rob, but unfortunately some people take option number three, which has no value whatsoever. The only thing they do is criticise the thread topic, or the thread starter, or the people involved in the thread. They basically come in to whinge because they don't like what they are reading. They will argue semantics and make ad hominem attacks to try and discredit posters, as if that makes them somehow superior. Here's a suggestion to those people. If you don't like a thread topic, or how a thread is progressing, don't post in it. Leave it to the people who DO like that topic. There are still plenty of threads dedicated to a band member's latest look for example. As a heterosexual male I have no particular interest in those threads, but totally understand there are plenty of people of both sexes on this board who love to discuss it. So I leave them to it - more power to them in fact! I don't go marching in there saying how shallow they are being by judging people's looks, or criticising ladies for going ga-ga over a bloke in his mid-50s they have had a crush on since the 80s and how immature it is, and how stupid they are for doing it. That is just being intolerant and rude. There are plenty of other threads I DO care about to post in. It's simple mathematics. It's good to add to a thread. Add a positive contribution, a valid opinion, a funny line, whatever. But it's bad to subtract. Doing nothing but complaining about thread topics subtracts from a thread. Doing nothing but judging people involved in a debate they enjoy subtracts from a thread. Arguing semantics and how the posters phrase things subtracts from a thread. Say it loud and proud people - addition is good, subtraction sucks. Schoolkids around the world rejoice! Hallelujah!!!
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Post by mynick7 on May 13, 2015 11:09:11 GMT -5
Outstanding post, coolbarn!!
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Post by rob on May 14, 2015 0:38:58 GMT -5
Whenever these topics are discussed I always just assume that posters are engaging in extreme speculation and are too unsophisticated to realize that they should label it as such. How many real-life Duran Duran members regularly post here, or any Duran forum for that matter? They might skim the odd forum from time to time for a laugh or to gauge perceptions, but in terms of regular posting I'm pretty sure the answer would be zero. Therefore everything posted on these forums is speculation. Everything is opinion. This is a public Duran Duran Message Board, not the Duran Duran fact announcement website. So take everything you read with a grain of salt. Every single thing. Quite simply we are here to discuss things Duran-related. And sometimes threads morph to discuss things non-Duran related. To share opinions. To debate intelligently and politely. To continue to carry the Duran flame as the last remaining Durannies on earth. We're just a group of people, all with different opinions, with a similar interest in an old pop band. And everyone knows this. The onus isn't on everybody to be "sophisticated" enough to label every one of their posts, otherwise you might as well have a disclaimer template at the top of every message box in big, bold lettering and flashing neon lights. The onus is on the reader to know it is speculation and opinion, and then to know you have one of two options: 1) You can add to the thread with your OWN opinion and speculation, in a polite and intelligent manner. 2) You can ignore the thread altogether and wait for more serious or factual ones, maybe ones related to single/album release dates, or world tour dates and destinations. But if you take a look at the main index they can be few and far in between. And this is not directed at you personally Rob, but unfortunately some people take option number three, which has no value whatsoever. The only thing they do is criticise the thread topic, or the thread starter, or the people involved in the thread. They basically come in to whinge because they don't like what they are reading. They will argue semantics and make ad hominem attacks to try and discredit posters, as if that makes them somehow superior. Here's a suggestion to those people. If you don't like a thread topic, or how a thread is progressing, don't post in it. Leave it to the people who DO like that topic. There are still plenty of threads dedicated to a band member's latest look for example. As a heterosexual male I have no particular interest in those threads, but totally understand there are plenty of people of both sexes on this board who love to discuss it. So I leave them to it - more power to them in fact! I don't go marching in there saying how shallow they are being by judging people's looks, or criticising ladies for going ga-ga over a bloke in his mid-50s they have had a crush on since the 80s and how immature it is, and how stupid they are for doing it. That is just being intolerant and rude. There are plenty of other threads I DO care about to post in. It's simple mathematics. It's good to add to a thread. Add a positive contribution, a valid opinion, a funny line, whatever. But it's bad to subtract. Doing nothing but complaining about thread topics subtracts from a thread. Doing nothing but judging people involved in a debate they enjoy subtracts from a thread. Arguing semantics and how the posters phrase things subtracts from a thread. Say it loud and proud people - addition is good, subtraction sucks. Schoolkids around the world rejoice! Hallelujah!!! Good, strong post. Or at least strong anyway. rOB
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Post by coolbarn on May 14, 2015 1:08:33 GMT -5
Good, strong post. Or at least strong anyway. rOB Lol, very droll. I like it.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 2:47:40 GMT -5
John's very diplomatic to Warren when he reminisces about TWA: www.duranduran.com/wordpress/2013/reflections-on-duran-durans-the-wedding-album/I read "Pleasure Groove" and chalk up this period likely to John being in a difficult place. Naturally, there's a territorial aspect too - John's a founding member and Warren has a strong personality and was eager to make his stamp on the band. And why not? He's stepping in to fill some big shoes - so "go big" or "go home." I think Warren was very enthusiastic, he wanted to contribute as much as he could. He believed in it. He got manic. He saw he could bring more to it than just being a "hired hand." It was maybe what the band needed at the time - to have Warren and Nick captain the ship while John got cleaned up and Simon worked through writer's block. It's interesting that Nick, the "controller" appears to maintain the closest relationship to Warren, of all band members, having finished off TV Mania, etc. Two controllers in the same kitchen? How did they even get along? And how did Warren find a way to tame Nick when Andy and Nick seemed to clash? Duran's always had an interesting host of "key helpers" who got them through various periods. In the beginning, it was Colin Thurston, a protege of Tony Visconti... then Alex Sadkin... Nile Rodgers... John Jones helped them in the early '90's. Much like Ronson and now Mr. Hudson and of course Nile again. I take my hat off to Dom Brown. He's shown a great amount of reserve all through this. I'm glad he got some writing credits and John seems to enjoy the role he plays - that's the vibe I get, especially from "Groove." Dom is a contributor/collaborator, without trying to make a signature stamp on the band. I think the Frusicante thing is along the lines of having David Gilmour on Arcadia. In some ways, the band is now channeling the '84-'86 period the way they did '82-'83 on AYNIN. I don't judge Warren - I was thrown for a loop with the whole RockRod thing... WTF? Why? Well, I guess you could argue, "why not?" but I wonder if that was a connotation that really the band felt in the end was too much to handle - too much information? Hence going back to basics - the reformation. I'm not pointing fingers here but I recall reading that basically Simon didn't get along in the end with Warren either? Warren didn't like the way Simon was singing on the songs during the Pop Trash period? Simon definitely felt a reboot was needed in 2000/2001 with the original members to keep himself interested? Nick seemed happily to be going along during the downtime with Warren to make TV Mania/Arcadia 2/whatever as long as he didn't have to take that... "milkman job." You know, honestly, the band is such a great band. I've enjoyed all aspects of it. There are Andy parts I love. Warren parts I love. Dom parts I love. I love Roger on drums. I applaud Sterling Campbell - I like the drumming on Liberty. And Steve Ferrone, filling in on TWA before the return of Roger... John is amazing in this aspect that he appears to have "moved on" a lot from the parts of himself he felt were sabotaging his participation in the band. Roger, too, is different today. He's overcome the reasons he left the band in the first place. Again, I don't mean to be critical, but I sometimes look at the Adventure-trails of Mr. LeBon - car racing this and yacht-sailing that... hey, Dude, if this is your thing, that's really really great - but are you still trying to relive life like it's still 1983? You had a pretty bad crash on the bike in the early '90's... You may be a great rider, but the problem is everyone else around you is a f*ck up... Please... Mr. Makeup line Ingenue Nick Rhodes... hey... time doesn't stand still for anyone. There's a way to grow old gracefully. Life is life. David Bowie's found a way... he's made it respectable. I'm not knocking anyone - it just seems some members (Roger, John) take things more in the spirit of the "here and now" while others (Simon, Nick) seem yearning to hang on as if it's 1984...? Maybe that's part of the Duran dynamic and that's why good collaborators are like referees to "break the stalemate." I am grateful of the contributions made by all members. My Duran dream? A sort of concert like when Pavarotti had Simon join in - a Duran concert where all members contribute equally on good terms to celebrate what they all brought to the table. I've enjoyed every period of Duran. I've never felt, "oh, this period is absolutely impossible..." Most of all, I applaud the band for keeping on going. Cheers.
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Post by madoldlu on May 14, 2015 10:45:31 GMT -5
Whenever these topics are discussed I always just assume that posters are engaging in extreme speculation and are too unsophisticated to realize that they should label it as such. How many real-life Duran Duran members regularly post here, or any Duran forum for that matter? They might skim the odd forum from time to time for a laugh or to gauge perceptions, but in terms of regular posting I'm pretty sure the answer would be zero. Therefore everything posted on these forums is speculation. Everything is opinion. This is a public Duran Duran Message Board, not the Duran Duran fact announcement website. So take everything you read with a grain of salt. Every single thing. Quite simply we are here to discuss things Duran-related. And sometimes threads morph to discuss things non-Duran related. To share opinions. To debate intelligently and politely. To continue to carry the Duran flame as the last remaining Durannies on earth. We're just a group of people, all with different opinions, with a similar interest in an old pop band. And everyone knows this. The onus isn't on everybody to be "sophisticated" enough to label every one of their posts, otherwise you might as well have a disclaimer template at the top of every message box in big, bold lettering and flashing neon lights. The onus is on the reader to know it is speculation and opinion, and then to know you have one of two options: 1) You can add to the thread with your OWN opinion and speculation, in a polite and intelligent manner. 2) You can ignore the thread altogether and wait for more serious or factual ones, maybe ones related to single/album release dates, or world tour dates and destinations. But if you take a look at the main index they can be few and far in between. And this is not directed at you personally Rob, but unfortunately some people take option number three, which has no value whatsoever. The only thing they do is criticise the thread topic, or the thread starter, or the people involved in the thread. They basically come in to whinge because they don't like what they are reading. They will argue semantics and make ad hominem attacks to try and discredit posters, as if that makes them somehow superior. Here's a suggestion to those people. If you don't like a thread topic, or how a thread is progressing, don't post in it. Leave it to the people who DO like that topic. There are still plenty of threads dedicated to a band member's latest look for example. As a heterosexual male I have no particular interest in those threads, but totally understand there are plenty of people of both sexes on this board who love to discuss it. So I leave them to it - more power to them in fact! I don't go marching in there saying how shallow they are being by judging people's looks, or criticising ladies for going ga-ga over a bloke in his mid-50s they have had a crush on since the 80s and how immature it is, and how stupid they are for doing it. That is just being intolerant and rude. There are plenty of other threads I DO care about to post in. It's simple mathematics. It's good to add to a thread. Add a positive contribution, a valid opinion, a funny line, whatever. But it's bad to subtract. Doing nothing but complaining about thread topics subtracts from a thread. Doing nothing but judging people involved in a debate they enjoy subtracts from a thread. Arguing semantics and how the posters phrase things subtracts from a thread. Say it loud and proud people - addition is good, subtraction sucks. Schoolkids around the world rejoice! Hallelujah!!! You know what I got out of that? Coolbarn secretly thinks a lot of members here are shallow and in his mind, criticizes them for going ga-ga over a bloke in his mid 50s and think they are immature and stupid. I'm kidding, of course! You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar and I salute you! Back on topic, I think John left more because of his own personal problems that needed to be sorted out, including creating work he could call 100% his own. I also remember during Notorious interviews when discussing Andy and Roger leaving, John and Simon and Nick would say that they thought John would be the one to leave, which I suppose means John's eventual departure was inevitable. I'm eternally glad he came back and I hope he stays. His bass playing is essential to the Duran sound. As far as alewgro's comment about Andy's playing being "common", I get what you mean. But honestly I think that kind of playing is missing from Duran. Not just missing as in absent, but missing as in there is a hole there that is begging to be filled (dirty!). Even in Astronaut with Andy back they didn't have that jangly rhythm sound. That sound is so prevalent and important in the first 3 albums (plus TWB and AVTAK) and it's something I truly miss. BTW, good post, duranfan84!
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Post by asteroidk on May 14, 2015 11:47:18 GMT -5
I think there are Andy Talyoresque guitar riffs all over All You Need Is Now, especially Runway Runaway. I don't think this is brought up enough by fans.
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Post by coolbarn on May 14, 2015 12:16:24 GMT -5
You know what I got out of that? Coolbarn secretly thinks a lot of members here are shallow and in his mind, criticizes them for going ga-ga over a bloke in his mid 50s and think they are immature and stupid. Well at least someone got something out of that post. Besides Hypersomnia of course. I'm kidding, of course! You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar and I salute you! Just wait till you get to know me better. You'll change BTW, good post, duranfan84! I agree, it's nice to see someone post something almost as long as I do. Maybe they can take some of the heat off me! And also, Lu, your post wasn't too shabby either. I liked your opinions on Andy, but I have to ask after hearing Astronaut, could he EVER play that way again? I mean we know there is something there between he and Nick, and always will be. But that friction which led to such great music on the first three albums didn't quite appear on Astronaut, where once again Andy took more of a back seat like he did on Seven compared to Duran Duran and Rio. All of a mute point anyway considering Andy will probably never return, and even if he miraculously did who knows how long he would last? I'm just happy in the meantime having guitarists the calibre of John Frusciante, Nile Rodgers, and Dom Brown providing input into Duran's music. In my opinion Duran Duran's best music is rock-based and not keyboard or electronic-based. And considering Dom got writing credits on AYNIN, their best album in 25 years, then he's off to a flyer and I hope he can continue the same form on DD14. So I don't really care who guitars for Duran Duran. Just as long as they're a gun and as long as they're heard. There's nothing better than a great riff that is as catchy as hell and that you can't get out of your head. Well there's probably a couple of things better, but I won't go into them here.
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Post by madoldlu on May 14, 2015 13:37:07 GMT -5
Frusciante, Rodgers and Brown are all definitely a step in the right direction. Dom's playing was solid on AYNIN, but still a bit muted and in the background. But the songs worked great anyway, so I can't really complain too much.
But I do miss those great Andy riffs like in HLTW or HBTR, or even the stuff in Girls on Film, Friends of Mine and Late Bar. And even on SATRT, there is a lot more guitar work throughout than one would think. The obvious song is Of Crime and Passion, but there is also some great guitars in Shadows, Reflex, NMOM, Snake.
And I do think Andy can still play like that. The guitars in the Ting Ting's latest album are great. Andy produced it, and I suspect (although I can't verify) that he played on a few tracks. There is definitely a moment in the song Only Love that I KNOW (but again, unverified) is him.
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