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Post by emptypromises on Feb 1, 2012 10:42:39 GMT -5
Hmmm... Let me put it this way... we all know that sometimes when you get something rarely seen, unheard, commissioned, it took years of hunting and $$$ get paid. No wonder some wouldn't easily share what they've got. If we are talking real RARE it's not the case of buying stuff for pennies... Don't you think? I've even shared the digital downloads of the GOF remixes that came out recently (just the ones that were never commercially issued on the CD single). So what if I paid .99 cents for the track? Some members either were not able to purchase the track due to their location or wanted a better copy. It was no hardship on me to share it. What if we change that price from $0.99 to over $4,000.00? Would you still feel the same? What if you posted your rare material freely online and found any number of people reselling it? What if you acquired songs, demos, remixes and/or rehearsal materials that would be easily traced back to the source and that person (or people) would be fired from their job? Many different things at work.
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Post by redmumba on Feb 1, 2012 12:08:44 GMT -5
I've even shared the digital downloads of the GOF remixes that came out recently (just the ones that were never commercially issued on the CD single). So what if I paid .99 cents for the track? Some members either were not able to purchase the track due to their location or wanted a better copy. It was no hardship on me to share it. What if we change that price from $0.99 to over $4,000.00? Would you still feel the same? What if you posted your rare material freely online and found any number of people reselling it? What if you acquired songs, demos, remixes and/or rehearsal materials that would be easily traced back to the source and that person (or people) would be fired from their job? Many different things at work. Changing the price from .99 to over $4,000 is irrelevant. Case in point, the song "Happy Birthday to You" . In 1990, Warner Chappell purchased the company that owns the copyright to that song for $15 million, with the value of "Happy Birthday" estimated at $5 million - yet people still sing the song freely around the world. Secondly, if you haven't noticed, the practice of reselling rare material that has been obtained freely is something that goes on every day regardless of whether it's music, videos, etc. That's just the nature of the beast. Have a look at Ebay. As for someone getting fired for material that might possibly be traced back to the source (i.e. them), it sounds more like a security issue than anything else. The person who knowingly obtains material - such that you described - should know the consequences of leaking this material to others. If no one is meant to have this material, then the offender (i.e. source) shouldn't have it either, now should they? Back to you Diane.
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Post by amiestilo on Feb 1, 2012 14:19:14 GMT -5
What if you acquired songs, demos, remixes and/or rehearsal materials that would be easily traced back to the source and that person (or people) would be fired from their job? Good point. Besides, you'd never ever again get anything from that source as they would be aware you "can't keep secrets" and easily share "sensitive" material I don't mind sharing when it comes to something pretty more regular but still hard to come by. What I meant to say is, you can't ask a person who paid s...t load of cash, spent years to hunt that stuff down, to just share. That's just not right. I totally understand if someone on board has Reportage stashed from our ears, i.e.
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Post by redmumba on Feb 1, 2012 17:48:15 GMT -5
What if you acquired songs, demos, remixes and/or rehearsal materials that would be easily traced back to the source and that person (or people) would be fired from their job? Good point. Besides, you'd never ever again get anything from that source as they would be aware you "can't keep secrets" and easily share "sensitive" material I don't mind sharing when it comes to something pretty more regular but still hard to come by. What I meant to say is, you can't ask a person who paid s...t load of cash, spent years to hunt that stuff down, to just share. That's just not right. I totally understand if someone on board has Reportage stashed from our ears, i.e. I'm not saying that whomever has rare stuff HAS to share or be forced to share said item. To me, and this is my opinion so like it or lump it, being a collector doesn't mean being selfish - it means helping out other collectors in various ways. But back to reality, most of Duran Duran's stuff isn't "old" and is readily available either commercially or through the gray underground music trader market. Just have a flick through the Duran Duran discography. To be honest, most every there I have. If there are demos, unreleased mixes, etc, it's a get bet I have them and have shared them. And please...this wet dream that some people keep harboring that any song from Reportage has leaked out is just that.
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Post by intravenus on Feb 1, 2012 23:09:44 GMT -5
The rarest I have is the 1 minute snippet of the early Planet Earth demo that figital included in a podcast. Far superior to the demo on the reissue and a shame if it never makes it out of captivity.
Somebody has a set of demos auctioned off by Andy about 10 years ago... can only guess what might be on there... Don't Look Back anyone?
I imagine someone has the complete "Everything and Nothing Changes" session which would be nice to hear the actual song and not just the studio chatter!
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Post by figital on Feb 1, 2012 23:55:28 GMT -5
The rarest I have is the 1 minute snippet of the early Planet Earth demo that figital included in a podcast. Far superior to the demo on the reissue and a shame if it never makes it out of captivity. Somebody has a set of demos auctioned off by Andy about 10 years ago... can only guess what might be on there... Don't Look Back anyone? I imagine someone has the complete "Everything and Nothing Changes" session which would be nice to hear the actual song and not just the studio chatter! the thing about that PE snippet is that is all there is out there (to my knowledge) the full song never surfaced/leaked as the person who originally had it wanted like 1500 pounds for a full copy and when a band of us tried to re-locate it so we could try and make a deal for a group to try and buy it so we could liberate it, the person was nowhere to be found. and what i have has no info with it at all. so i don't know what the source is or when it was made. it could be a rough mix an engineer or producer made on a tape to listen to at home or something like that? and as for the andy tapes, i think there was about 50 or more tapes of various stuff...but if i'm not mistaken, it was all post NOTORIOUS recordings and mostly of andy's solo stuff. i've never heard any of it, but i do know that it has a lot of unreleased stuff including an album called NOBODY'S BUSINESS which i had heard about via a music industry manager that i knew via another artist. the crazy thing about that material is that i think even andy doesn't have a copy of much of it, as i think he was the one who sold it/them to begin with.
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Post by amiestilo on Feb 2, 2012 6:57:55 GMT -5
Ok, then, to sum up all what I treasure, rarest track I've got is original Seven And The Ragged Tiger demo. Most of you have it, and we all know the sound quality is worse than just poor but it still Simon singing, band playing, and it's quite cool catchy track!
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Post by blaahh on Feb 2, 2012 10:06:27 GMT -5
great track - i wish they still had the master!
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Post by figital on Feb 2, 2012 12:21:23 GMT -5
great track - i wish they still had the master! i wonder if they ever made any copies of the masters? it seems odd that a whole track would just disappear in every form from the 2 inch masters to the 1/4 inch masters to any version made onto a cassette. i wonder if there's a safety master in one of the many studios that the durans visited in 1983? i sure hope so as i love that track as well!
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Post by errbt on Feb 2, 2012 21:25:03 GMT -5
What I meant to say is, you can't ask a person who paid s...t load of cash, spent years to hunt that stuff down, to just share. That's just not right. I totally understand if someone on board has Reportage stashed from our ears, i.e. First off, how in Zod's name is it not right to ask them to share? To demand that they share, yes, but to even ask is somehow offensive? Also, remember that if people shared more, then the "s...t loads of cash" spent for things probably wouldn't have to be so great! The question it really comes down to is: can everyone stop and think about why they might want to have something (or tons of things) that no one else has and hoard it away? Is it to somehow make yourself feel better than you currently do? Better than someone else? Better than everyone else? In the end that's all a bunch of bullsh*t. I have an extensive Duran (and in general) music collection, and an extensive Star Wars collection...but I never, ever wanted something just because no one else had it. I wanted it because I enjoyed/loved it. The rare items I have are of worth to me because I think they're cool, not because they're rare. In fact, I've become so disgusted with the "exclusives" marketing in the toy/collectible industry that I've pretty much given up on it. Scalpers make me sick, no matter what the category of collectible or commodity. Hoarding, whether to capitalize on a real scarcity or to create an artificial sense of scarcity, so you can turn a profit while people (especially kids) who just want one of something can't find it on a store shelf if their life depended on it, is a wretched thing, and a symptom of the myopia and selfishness of modern culture IMO. I remember going off on a (re)seller of Star Wars items at a show once, because he was going off on a vitriolic rant, beeaatching that Hasbro had released more of a certain item after he'd thought it was going to be extremely limited (and which of course he was, right then and there, trying to scalp at double the retail price). I, not hiding my disgust, asked him if he preferred the item stay unattainable for folks who couldn't afford artificially inflated prices, and for kids who would like one (we were talking about toys, after all) to be unable to have one. He basically then looked crestfallen and guilty, tucked his tail between legs, and quietly said that I was right and that, no, he wouldn't want that scenario. Well, you can't have it both ways! I realize I'm straying a bit from the subject of rare tracks, but I think it all ties together. If people weren't constantly looking for a way to hoard things for themselves (at best), or lie, cheat and stab each other in the back for a buck (at worst), then maybe sharing would become the rule rather than the exception. Also, for those who choose to hoard rare unreleased tracks to sell (or potentially sell) rather than share, remember this: most bands that are cool with trading/sharing of their rarities only are cool with it when it is not for monetary gain. Plus, in the case of authentic first generation hard copies, you'd still have them even if you share the contents in mp3 form! ;D
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